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Interview: Steve Baxter of River City Labs in Brisbane — October 17, 2013

Interview: Steve Baxter of River City Labs in Brisbane


“There are some really good businesses here, but when you look at the level of activity elsewhere you can see that we’re behind the eight ball. It needs serious local and state government help and support and if they want to do that, they have to be willing to spend the money.”

Steve Baxter has been responsible for pushing the Brisbane startup scene forward through his coworking space River City Labs and supporting global movements such as Startup Weekend. It’s never a rare occurrence for Steve to dip into his own pocket to help new tech businesses flourish. The Fetch caught up with Steve about his new gaming ventures and his Brisbane perspective.

What inspired you to open River City Labs?

I have several investments, and after travelling to Sydney I saw a great example of getting support for entrepreneurs and helping them get started in an organisation called Fishburners. I came back to Brisbane and looked for Fishburners, and other similar organisations and they didn’t exist, so that was the start of it. I looked at doing it commercially as a full profit business, but to be honest it’s not a big business. So I decided to launch the business, but with a bit more philanthropy involved.

After that, did you decide to invest in the gaming space, or did you invest before River City Labs?

The games were after River City Labs. The games side, with respect to Right Pedal Studios, is a different form of investment. It’s full profit, an accelerator fund. We take advanced prototypes and we launch them into the market through funding, mentoring and production resources, in a reasonably fast way. It’s definitely different.

How many games have you released so far through Right Pedal Studios?

We just released the first game in late March. The game is called Dragon Season. It’s an endless runner game, which is currently available on the Australian Google Play Store. Hopefully in a few weeks it will be available globally on Google Play and the Apple Store. It’s been discovered by a number of people in China, even though we only released it to the Australian Android market, and it’s found its way to about thirty-four thousand installations. That was really very surprising. It wasn’t what we’d planned, but we’re now pursuing some Chinese producers, which is quite interesting.

We also have one game out as a closed beta. It is due to come out as a world-wide release in the next few weeks. There are currently three others being worked on and we’re talking to another four teams about coming in.

Have you seen any major shifts in the startup scene in Brisbane since you started River City Labs?

Since River City Labs opened its doors last year (2012), there’s been a gradual shift. I’m actually a little disappointed with the startup scene in Brisbane. I spent some time in San Francisco and I travel to Sydney four times a month on average, so when I see the startup scene in Sydney compared to Fortitude Valley, it’s completely stark.

It’s been a slow growth. We were half full six weeks in, and we were half full in November last year; we’re still at about 60-65% now.

What do you think the Brisbane scene needs?

It needs a lot more people to take it seriously; it actually needs signals from Government. There has been market failure with regards to tech startup in Brisbane. There are some really good businesses here, but when you look at the level of activity elsewhere you can see that we’re behind the eight ball. It needs serious local and state government help and support and if they want to do that, they have to be willing to spend the money. It’s embarrassing when Auckland, New Zealand, have a higher angel funding rate than anywhere in Australia. That is because of direct government intervention.

How are places like NZ ahead?

In areas like matching investment funds, they invest in meetings with successful and respected entrepreneurs from the US to educate local angel groups. This was directly linked to the absolute increase in startup activity.

I’m just going to read you some statistics:

  • The number of startup incubators in the US is 1400, compared to 30 in Australia
  • The number of angel investors in Australia is 500, compared to 300,000 in the US
  • We do approximately 50 Angel deals per year, compared to 63,000 a year done in the US
  • There are eight early stage VC funds in Australia; there are 420 in the US

Do you think angel Investors lack direction, or does it take too long to get funding in Australia / people are more hesitant?

Probably all of the above, to be honest. Had Australia given birth to Facebook or Google or something along those lines, it would be a different story. But if we don’t take the initiative, we’ll never make these advances. For example, in Brisbane there are three coworking spaces/incubators – in Auckland there are six.

In the same year, Auckland recorded 45 Angel Investments per annum, while Brisbane had two. Auckland’s 40 venture capital investments trumped Brisbane’s 30, and the whole of Australia was only marginally higher at 72.

Are Brisbane startups are having to leave and go to Sydney to try to talk to Angel investors?

I am doing some work with the state government to try to prevent this. At some point in time, we have to actually understand that if this something we want to do, it’s going to cost to play. We are that far behind.

It’s a tragedy. There are a lot of issues that we’ve got to work through. But first we have to want to fix it, and put in the extra miles.

Where should they be putting their energy: sales channel or online marketing?

It depends on the type of business. There are a lot of businesses that are hesitant to spend money on sales and marketing yet still expect to gain the interest of investors. You need to do put in the effort and prove to investors that your business is a worthwhile prospect.

What turns you off a startup?

People or groups that generate an idea in the mobile tech sector, who don’t have the skills or knowledge to develop it, and expect investors to spend their money on a team to build their product. I believe in doing majority of the work yourself, and if you don’t have the knowledge or experience in the area of your idea, that you should take the time to learn and not just rely on others to do all the heavy lifting for you.

What makes you decide that you want to invest in a startup?

Teams. A good team can have a bad idea to start with, but will realise it’s a bad idea and change it. If the idea requires any creative and technical work build it, then you need a strong technical team. A lot of others will outsource, but it isn’t as appealing for investors. As for the business, the idea has got to be something that makes a splash. Technology has such great potential to have a huge impact, and it just takes the right idea to ;p the world on its head.

Are you going to Sydney to scout for new startups or angel investors?

Not really scouting, I already have 11 investments – I had 12 – which is too many. I would love to get back down to maybe seven or eight. Right Pedal Studios and River City Labs take up a fair bit of my time. Really what I’d like to do is less, and be able to spend more time with my 11-week-old daughter to be quite honest.

How do you relax?

I don’t at the moment. My hobbies are fishing and flying, of which I get to do precious little; and I’m sure that now with a young girl I’ll probably get to do even less. It’s surprising what can take up time in your day.

About our contributor // Sarina Quinlan is a marketing consultant and the curator of The Fetch in Brisbane. Follow her on Twitter via @digitalsarina.

Interview: Sydney Local, Peter Bradd — May 28, 2012

Interview: Sydney Local, Peter Bradd

This fortnight, our Community Ambassador, Lisa Fox (CEO and cofounder of OpenShed) chats to Peter Bradd about coworking, startups, entrepreneurial support and the Fishburners space.

Name: Peter Bradd


Twitter handle: @peterbradd

Works: CEO and Founder at ScribblePics and all things Fishburners

What is Fishburners? How did you become involved?

Fishburners is a not-for-profit coworking space run by volunteers. It was founded by the managers of recruitment startup GradConnect and investor Pete Davison in March 2011. Although there’s been a huge number of individuals and corporates who contributed to make Fishburners what it is today. The original office space (55 desks) filled up within two months and now we can fit about 150 people. Our constitutional purpose is to foster tech entrepreneurship in Australia and we currently do that through the coworking space and an event space.When I first came to Fishburners there were about five desks (and no internet on) but I was just excited to get out of bedroom and work collaboratively! I was just amazed to be having conversations with other entrepreneurs who understood the issues and challenges I was facing. I love being here – I’ve seen companies that would have failed if they hadn’t been here and that’s really rewarding. Any advice that you need can be accessed. When you’re a startup, momentum is really important and this environment helps you get over any problems quickly. Besides working in your bedroom by yourself is pretty lonely! I pretty quickly became involved in the organisation of the space and I was asked to be a Founding Director. Basically, I believed in the community and I had the skillset that could help make a difference.

Can people come and try out Fishburners?

Sure can. We offer a three-day pass, so you can try before you buy. You can try out our Ultimo or Darlinghust office. We do this because working in a coworking space can seem a little daunting and it isn’t for everyone, so we definitely want you to try it out first. You can apply here

Then we have two membership options:

  1. Full time – you get a permanent desk and have 24 hour access to the building ($300 a month)
  2. Part-time – up to three days a week access to a hot desk ($200 a month)

Why do you think we are seeing the grow of coworking spaces in Australia at the moment?

The barriers to doing a startup are falling. Cheaper startup costs equal more startups. Everything is pay as you use these days. Starting up a business now can be done without any significant investment. Lean startup methodology is taking hold. There is huge growth in software as a service software (SaaS) and Platform as a service (PaaS). This combined with very cheap and high quality outsourced labour, and a steady flow of new and cool APIs means you no longer have to build and run every part of your operation yourself. This means you can experiment with less risk. However, running a business from home isn’t the ideal environment for a startup. Coworking spaces address this issue. Australia isn’t an isolated example, it’s happening all over the world. [Ed’s note: we agree! Check out our Coworking in Australia directory.]

What is next for Fishburners?

We would like to take out another level of the building in Harris Street. Startups normally do one of two things – they either fail or succeed. We want to do more to help reduce failure by providing better education and support, while it’s not necessarily our official role because we are not an incubator or an accelerator, we do see it as important and perhaps as an informal part of our role. We’d like more corporate support in this area. If a start up does really well their team starts to grow and expand and we can’t really accommodate teams bigger than five here, so we would like to take an extra floor to accommodate them. This will also create a better ecosystem as those trying to build a business for the first time can have access to people who are achieving three to four steps ahead of them. It’s really valuable to be able to observe what successful people are doing and also tap into their skills and knowledge. We are also starting to work with a number of corporates, such as Optus, Google, Ninefold and Deloitte. We welcome the support from corporates as they accelerate what we can achieve and the growth of the ecosystem. The bigger and better the ecosystem, the more successful startups we’ll see coming out of Australia. Startups are great for an economy.

Check out this video of a recent StartupWeekend Sydney at Fishburners below:

Tell us about ScribblePics

We make software that enables people to turn pictures into real postcards. We distribute our software through travel businesses. I’m really excited about is the growth of mobile and camera on phones are becoming a lot better. The way that people are taking photos has changed a lot, you are using your phone as a default point and click camera. You can now more easily capture moments and share them – ScribblePics is just another way of sharing that moment with the people in your life.

What are some upcoming events you would recommend to the Sydney Fetch community?

I’m a huge fan of Stump the Strategist by Step Change Marketing. Fishburners holds a number of events and meetups in our new event space, which holds 150 people standing or 100 sitting. General Assembly are holding a series of events in June at Fishburners. Fishburners is please to accommodate the Google I/O conference live streaming on 29-30 June.

About our Ambassador // Lisa Fox is a recovering a Government Lawyer and the Co Founder and Director of the peer-to-peer rental site, Open Shed.  Lisa is passionate about spreading the word about the Australian Collaborative Consumption movement and helping Australians access what they need when they need it! Connect with Lisa via @_lisafox or @openshed.

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